Perhaps you are the one who should be more forthcoming. Can you tell us under what email address you receive prayer updates? It isn't under your real name, wouldn't that be like lying or misrepresentation?

The purpose of prayer updates is for that exactly, prayer, not to attack and undermine this ministry, or anyone else's for that matter.

XXX

Mr. Dick Dewert, is this really you responding or is it one of your assistants that I am so used to receiving email from and that's why it's signed XXX? I would hope that you are the one responding to my letter, as I think the seriousness of this issue requires your attention, not that of an assistant.

I am very forthcoming. I have already provided you my real name and I know you have my contact information from postal mail I have sent you in the past. I am not the coward you have tried to make me out to be. I am not hiding, nor am I being deceptive. Does it matter if I receive your prayer updates directly or if they are forwarded to me, or for that matter, whether I receive them at all? What matters is that you follow and teach the truth. If you were doing that, I would have expected evidence of this in your response, which you have not provided. Instead, all you have done is attempt to discredit and belittle me.

I will tell you the email address I use to receive your prayer updates. It's the one I am using to converse with you now. You are correct, my name is not in your database for receiving prayer updates. I receive them as a forwarded email from someone else. This does not make me a liar and should also clear up any thought of misrepresentation.

Rather than being so concerned about my name and email address being in your database or how I receive your prayer updates, I would hope that you are more concerned about whether or not what I have shown you is true. I'm assuming the only reason you would like to know what email address I am receiving the prayer updates from is so that you can try to stop me from receiving them so I can no longer point out the heresies you teach? Maybe you would also like to know which provider I use to watch your programming so you can have that signal blocked in my area. If you consider your prayer updates to be confidential, I would recommend that you indicate that in plain text at the beginning of each update so all intended recipients will understand this and also let them know that they should not forward it to anyone, although this recommendation might have a negative impact on what you are trying to accomplish. Besides, if what you have in your prayer updates is true and from God, why would you be so concerned about me receiving them or how I receive them? Do you not want His truth to be known and shared or am I missing something here?

As long as you speak publicly, you open yourself up to public scrutiny. As a Christian, I expect all Christ professing leaders to be accountable for and answerable to their teachings and I will challenge them and expose hypocrisy and heresy every time I see it. If they are not open to correction, I cannot help that. I can only continue to point out their errors and pray for them. If you fear confrontation and having your motives and heresy being exposed, I suggest you stay out of the public eye. Those (the religious leaders) that spoke publicly, Jesus confronted publicly. Those that spoke privately, Jesus confronted privately. That's what He did and with Him as my example, that's what I will do. I recommend you choose your arena carefully as light will expose darkness. If you don't like exposure, stay out of the light.

I realize the purpose for prayer updates is for prayer, but I also know that Jesus told us to pray according to the Father's will. I have clearly shown you biblically, what the Father's will is concerning submission to government authority and yet you encourage people to act and pray against His will.

It appears you are accusing me of attacking or undermining your ministry and the ministry of others. On the contrary, I stand for truth. If you take this to be an attack or an act of undermining, you have clearly not discerned what the Lord has called me to do. If a ministry does not stand in truth, that is not my error, it is theirs and it must be exposed in the light of Christ. I will not compromise truth for the sake of unity, gain or comfort and nor should you. What you have called an attack or an act of undermining is merely a reproving, correction or rebuking, using the Word of God as the source. All I'm doing is showing you the truth. Seeing correction and reproof as an attack is a good indication that one has not died to themselves and they are definitely not hearing God clearly. If a person feels undermined, it shows that they are insecure and their trust and confidence is not in Christ.

All I ask is that you provide sound Biblical backing for your teachings concerning this issue and if you cannot provide it, seek repentance and understanding. I am not the one who is challenged to provide evidence of the heresy you teach and encourage, as I have already done so. If what you teach is Biblically sound, you should be able to provide an immediate response, in season or out.

Keeping in line with proper hermeneutics, whatever you provide to justify your standpoint cannot contradict the verses I have previously pointed out to you. If you can show me sound doctrine contrary to what I have pointed out, I will humbly apologize and ask your forgiveness. If you cannot provide sound doctrine, then I encourage you to accept what I have shown you to be true and stop what you are doing immediately! You cannot change Truth, whether you like it or not, but on the bright side, Truth can change you if you allow it.

Some day, we will all stand before the King of Kings and be held accountable for the truth He has entrusted to us and what we did with it. Every time we reject His truth, we reject Him. As leaders, we will be held to a higher account as we will be charged with every one we caused to stumble by our wrong teaching. I am teachable and willing to repent immediately upon being shown my error. I encourage you take this same approach.

I await your response.

Tim Thibault

Apparently you don't like anonymity any better than we do. Once again, please be forth coming and provide the email alias in which you receive the prayer updates so we can remove the name from our list. These updates are for the purpose of prayer for this ministry, not to provide fodder for those whose focus is find fault.

To call another Christian a heretic because they don't believe exactly like you is ......... presumptive to say the least.

DD

I don't know how much more forthcoming I can be in providing you my email address. I will state it again. I receive the prayer updates at the same address I am using to send you this reply. I too, as a leader, am responsible for many. My leadership is respected by those who have allowed me the privilege of pastoring and discipling them. I am not responsible for their actions. If they choose to forward your prayer requests to me for discernment purposes, I honor and respect that. I will not breach the trust I have with them. If they choose to come forward with their email address or name, it will be by their choice alone, not mine. All I can do is let them know you have asked for this information. I do not control them or their actions. One thing I find really hard to understand is why you would consider taking action with someone who honestly seeks discernment and has chosen to receive your prayer requests, when your real problem is that you have shown your inability to address my request. I'm sure you can appreciate the situation I am in. Someone comes to me for discernment and when I find something contrary to what I see that scripture teaches, I go to the source of that teaching and ask clarification. If I am wrong in what I see, I seek correction as I know the great responsibility of sound, correct teaching and that some day I will give an account. Well, Mr. Dewert, I have gone to you as the source of that teaching since it's coming from your literature and in doing so, I have not gotten a straight answer from you, but rather I have received defensive and immature responses. This is not the sign of confidence.

If you have an issue with people forwarding prayer requests to me, I suggest you tell them all to stop, and again reiterate my recommendation of marking the requests as "Confidential". I would challenge you however, that if you do this, tell them the real reason why I should not receive the prayer updates. Plain and simply, you do not like to be questioned or have your authority challenged. Especially when you cannot provide an answer. Why are you becoming so defensive because of a simple question? Do you believe you are above reproach and correction? Are you that deceived?

I am not calling you a heretic because you don't believe exactly as I do. I am calling you a heretic, in the strictest sense, because what you teach does not line up with the word of God. Let me provide the definition of a heretic for you, so we will have clarity of meaning:

Heretic

HER'ETIC, n.

1. A person under any religion, but particularly the christian, who holds and teaches opinions repugnant to the established faith, or that which is made the standard of orthodoxy. In strictness, among christians, a person who holds and avows religious opinions contrary to the doctrines of Scripture, the only rule of faith and practice.

2. Any one who maintains erroneous opinions.

I believe a person has a right to believe what they choose and I am not against their differing beliefs. However, when you actually teach and encourage others that your belief is solid Christian doctrine and do not have a scriptural foundation that backs the teaching, it is heresy. Especially when it has been shown that the teaching is in direct conflict of what scripture does show. Thus, one that teaches and promotes heresy or false doctrine is inherently, a heretic.

Stop circumventing the real issue at hand. Please provide solid biblical evidence for what you teach or admit you either don't have the correct answer yet or you are wrong. In the mean time, I would encourage you to ask others to stop following your teaching until you have a solid biblical foundation for it. I don't think this is too much to ask and I believe it is a sign of strong leadership skills. It also shows prudence. A leader is not a leader if he/she does not have the fortitude to admit to their followers that he/she might be or is wrong. When it is proven to followers that a leader actually is wrong or has covered up the truth, the followers lose all confidence in that leader. The leader is then left with nobody to lead. As a leader, admitting when you are wrong or you don't have the answer is a strength not a weakness. It only becomes a weakness when you are shown the truth and you knowingly reject it, avoid it or choose to do nothing about it. I challenge you to show your strength. Leaders do not avoid issues. They address them head-on. Will you show yourself to be a leader in this?

I still await your mature response.

Tim Thibault

thibault@undertheson.ca doesn't appear in the email list, please forward the name of the alias or person who receives these updates on your behalf. The updates are for prayer support purposes, not doctrinal debate.

As for not wishing to respond to your statements, it is because of your obvious agenda. I have visited your affiliate, Damascus Road School web page and am appalled to find personal names of Christian leaders embedded at the bottom of the home page. A veiled attempt at attracting persons seeking information about well known Christian ministries, to your web page. You call that forth coming or honest. This conduct contradicts your assertions of "only seeking the truth". It appears you are only seeking to harm those who don't agree with your views.

What you should perhaps do is start your own broadcasting network and let everyone see how it should be done.

DD

The following names cannot be seen on the home page of www.damascusroadschool.com/ unless one scrolls to the down to the bottom and highlights what appears to be a blank page. Certainly a method which appears contrary to a sincere group seeking only to declare the truth. Apparently you don't agree with anyone.

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Nobody receives updates on my behalf. If I want something, I ask for it. I believe the reason this particular person chose to receive the updates was for their own interest. Upon receiving them, they came to me with questions concerning requests and statements you have made in the updates and they also had questions about statements you have made on the airwaves.

If you would really like to stop me from receiving your information, I suggest you stop making it public. Stop sending prayer updates and take your station off the air. That is about the only way you can be guaranteed I will not receive it. Again, IF it's truth you are disseminating, you should not fear it coming into my possession. I will only test it according to the bible and sound doctrine and if it holds up, you can be assured that you will not hear from me, with the possible exception of a word of encouragement.

I am now wondering what others might think when made aware of how you are addressing this issue. Or should I say, how you are refusing to address this issue. Do you treat others who have questions the same way you treat me? I would really hope not because it is really starting to show that you have an unwillingness to look at scripture in any other light than your own.

If the updates are for prayer purposes and not for doctrinal debate, do you not think they should be doctrinally sound before you send them? Since you have taken on the responsibility of writing and sending them, the onus is on you to make sure they are doctrinally sound and if you are not willing to assure this, then you should at least be open for correction or reproof. If you would have done this in the first place, we would not be having this discussion.

My agenda is very simple and if you know what Christ's agenda is, then you know mine. That is to expose the works of darkness by shedding the light of Truth on error and in doing so, liberate those that are held captive by the deceit of self-seeking men who present a counterfeit for personal gain.

I am glad you finally visited Damascus Road School. I wasn't sure that you ever would. While on the topic though, I will make you an offer. I will put you through the school at no cost to yourself and if at the end you have found that the teachings are not scripturally sound, I will resign as Canadian Director and shut down the web site. The only condition I put on this, which I believe is fair, is that you must complete the course in its entirety before I will honor my commitment. When you went to the site, you may have gotten a pop-up screen concerning the tithing challenge. Why don't you start there. If you did not get the pop-up, you can view it at http://www.gotosimpletruth.com/tithing/tithe4.html. Since you're always asking for money to continue your ministry, it would probably be beneficial for you to take the tithing challenge and receive the $150,00.00 offer. I sent you the book "Lie of the Tithe" in early February so you have all you need to get started with the challenge. Also, Lie if the Tithe is the first book in the first session of our course, so this would also give you a start in the school as well.

Since you saw the names embedded at the bottom of the page, you must have also noticed how they are introduced. If not, I will provide the statement here for your convenience: "Some of the people, organizations and ministries listed below could truly benefit from taking the Damascus Road Ministry School course. Others listed may have taken it. We suggest you contact them and ask their experience. If they have not taken the course, maybe you could help encourage them to do so." You may consider it a veiled attempt at attracting people to our site, but if they are seeking information about well known Christian ministries, I feel they are entitled to have ALL the information. Besides, how else can you expose something if you don't name it? Actually, it is not a veiled attempt at attracting people.... It is a blatant one. If you see children in a burning house, will you stand by and watch them burn or will you pull them out? I will do everything in my power to pull them out. You see, I am not worried about admitting how and why I do things. I have nothing to hide and am willing to come forward with anything when asked, provided it does not breach a trust of confidentiality or bring harm to another.

Again, you do not have to agree with my views, nor does anyone else, but you DO have to agree with the Bible if you are a professing Christian. I am seeking truth and you are avoiding it!

I don't need a broadcasting network to show people how things should be done. I rely on the Holy Spirit for that and he is not subject to a television.

You also state that I apparently don't agree with anyone. On the contrary, there are many I agree with. I would assume that you would not agree with them though. They are of the same faith as I am. Many are involved in discernment ministries and I'm sure you would be very familiar with who they are if I chose to name them, but in doing so, that would then bring them into this discussion, which I am sure you don't want to happen so let's not go there.

Putting aside the agenda you perceive that I have, you should still not be afraid of speaking the truth, regardless of who you speak it to. The truth is not meant to be hidden from anyone.

If I am wrong, you owe it to yourself to bring me into correction. I am seeking truth and you are not answering me. Didn't Jesus say something to the effect of "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."? Since you obviously consider me to be one of "the least of these", do you not think you should or if I could be so bold as to say according to Christ "are required to" provide me with an answer if you have one?

I respect the fact that you are a very busy man and because of that, why don't we just skip all this small talk which profits nothing and get right to the point and deal with something that does profit all.... The truth.

Please answer my question and let's be done with this.

Again, I await your response.

Tim Thibault